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Anti-civ has a PR problem
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(Thu, 19 Apr 2018 10:00:38 +0000, 10:00 AM)alexander Wrote: So what do we do? I am not asking, necessarily, how do we fix these misconceptions, or correct them. I am asking that we be self-aware. And, being self-aware, what do we do? How do we engage people? As such, I just mean this to be a general thread about how to do… well… effectively community outreach. And, borrowing Feyerabend's phrase: "Anything goes!", as far as I'm concerned.

If you're looking to sharpen your rhetoric then I'm always happy to debate and discuss with anti-civs on here. You're right that anti-civ has a pr problem but I, a staunch leftist, am willing to hear you out. One thing that I keep encountering is that I can't find solid definitions of "civilization" and "technology". Everyone seems to have a different take on it.
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(Tue, 01 May 2018 07:06:47 +0000, 07:06 AM)Lilith Wrote: One thing that I keep encountering is that I can't find solid definitions of "civilization" and "technology". Everyone seems to have a different take on it.

That's because, as I've pointed out to you elsewhere, "anti-civ" is not a unified ideological doctrine and doesn't even aspire to be. Personally, I don't consider civilization to be a "thing" that is readily susceptible to "definition" so much as a way in which people interact that reproduces systems of domination and social control. Now, if you were to ask an anarcho-primitivist the same question, they'd probably tell you something entirely different - as well as adamantly insist that "civilization" is objectively definable and that I'm completely out to lunch for suggesting otherwise. I can understand how this view might be distasteful to those who are looking for a revolutionary blueprint (be it of a leftist or non-leftist variety), but that's kinda their problem and not mine.
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(Sat, 21 Apr 2018 06:39:50 +0000, 06:39 AM)Odin Wrote: No one is talking about an ideal society or writing manuals. Although I do think we need a new dream from the current nightmare of progress. But you won't wake people up unless you challenge their own beliefs in a convincing fashion. If someone has already cultivated critical thinking, then they are already woke.
I don't understand what you mean when you say that you are not talking about an ideal society but that you need a new "dream".

People who have cultivated critical thinking are not "woke", they are merely receptive to "getting woke". As such, I believe it is more important to speak about more fundamental aspects of our lives, than the political systems which we allow to govern them.

(Tue, 01 May 2018 07:06:47 +0000, 07:06 AM)Lilith Wrote: If you're looking to sharpen your rhetoric then I'm always happy to debate and discuss with anti-civs on here. You're right that anti-civ has a pr problem but I, a staunch leftist, am willing to hear you out. One thing that I keep encountering is that I can't find solid definitions of "civilization" and "technology". Everyone seems to have a different take on it.
I have no interest in rhetoric whatsoever.

Definitions of civilisation are discussed here:
https://anti-civ.net/showthread.php?tid=247
https://anti-civ.net/showthread.php?tid=289
https://anti-civ.net/showthread.php?tid=317
https://anti-civ.net/showthread.php?tid=318
https://anti-civ.net/showthread.php?tid=320
Maybe other places too.

I don't think we have a technology-definition thread—maybe you would like to make one?
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