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Anti-civ has a PR problem
(Tue, 01 May 2018 07:06:47 +0000, 07:06 AM)Lilith Wrote: One thing that I keep encountering is that I can't find solid definitions of "civilization" and "technology". Everyone seems to have a different take on it.

That's because, as I've pointed out to you elsewhere, "anti-civ" is not a unified ideological doctrine and doesn't even aspire to be. Personally, I don't consider civilization to be a "thing" that is readily susceptible to "definition" so much as a way in which people interact that reproduces systems of domination and social control. Now, if you were to ask an anarcho-primitivist the same question, they'd probably tell you something entirely different - as well as adamantly insist that "civilization" is objectively definable and that I'm completely out to lunch for suggesting otherwise. I can understand how this view might be distasteful to those who are looking for a revolutionary blueprint (be it of a leftist or non-leftist variety), but that's kinda their problem and not mine.
(Sat, 21 Apr 2018 06:39:50 +0000, 06:39 AM)Odin Wrote: No one is talking about an ideal society or writing manuals. Although I do think we need a new dream from the current nightmare of progress. But you won't wake people up unless you challenge their own beliefs in a convincing fashion. If someone has already cultivated critical thinking, then they are already woke.
I don't understand what you mean when you say that you are not talking about an ideal society but that you need a new "dream".

People who have cultivated critical thinking are not "woke", they are merely receptive to "getting woke". As such, I believe it is more important to speak about more fundamental aspects of our lives, than the political systems which we allow to govern them.

(Tue, 01 May 2018 07:06:47 +0000, 07:06 AM)Lilith Wrote: If you're looking to sharpen your rhetoric then I'm always happy to debate and discuss with anti-civs on here. You're right that anti-civ has a pr problem but I, a staunch leftist, am willing to hear you out. One thing that I keep encountering is that I can't find solid definitions of "civilization" and "technology". Everyone seems to have a different take on it.
I have no interest in rhetoric whatsoever.

Definitions of civilisation are discussed here:
Maybe other places too.

I don't think we have a technology-definition thread—maybe you would like to make one?
The biggest PR problem that anti-civ has comes from the very deliberate self image that eco-anarchists created of themselves and spread. The palsied upper class hippie playing primitive appeals to no one but other upper class hippies.

When you present yourself in public, is it too much to ask that you try not to look like a mentally ill homeless?
no looking like that is a good way to do this, but you're probably not smart enough because you're some kind of russian (so a civcuck)

some food for thought

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